20-year-old Jessica Lepper suffered from a ruptured AVM on her shift in a hospital as a nurse about a year ago. She is now also dealing with epilepsy caused by her stroke.
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00:29 Introduction
03:17 Jessica had a ruptured AVM
09:10 Physical challenges after the surgery
11:47 Having epilepsy while in AVM recovery
15:18 Having Gamma Knife to remove the AVM
20:08 Sharing scars
Highlights:
Jessica 0:00
But I noticed I couldn’t read or anything like that. My right side was quite weak. So I couldn’t like hold a glass or anything like that. I couldn’t move it, but yeah, and I couldn’t walk at all.
Intro 0:22
This is recovery after stroke with Bill Gasiamis helping you go from where you are to where you’d rather be.
Introduction
Bill 0:29
Bill Gasiamis here this is Episode 96 and my guest today is Jessica Lepper. Jessica was a 20-year-old nurse on shift in a hospital when she noticed herself not being able to speak due to a ruptured AVM. Since then Jessica has had to overcome a lot to get back to work and is now being monitored due to seizures.
Bill 0:53
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Jessica 3:07
Hi.
Bill 3:08
Hi Jess, thanks so much for being on the podcast. I really appreciate it. Can we just start with you telling us a little bit about what happened to you?
Jessica had a ruptured AVM
Jessica 3:17
Yeah, sure. Um, so long story short, I was a nurse at a hospital in London. And I was just talking to a patient and my words started to slur and then I completely lost my voice. And I thought thats a bit weird, and then I got sent to Charing Cross, which is a neurological center in London. And they confirm that I had AVM rupture, which caused me to have a stroke really.
Bill 3:50
Wow, how old were you at the time?
Jessica 3:53
22. So quite young. I think that’s why we didn’t really know what was going on.
Bill 3:59
Were you with professional people around there? Was there other nurses and doctors around at the time that I happened?
Jessica 4:09
Yeah, I was so lucky. Yeah.
Bill 4:13
Do you have any recollection of after you couldn’t speak? What was the what am I trying to say? Like I’m trying to say is did you notice yourself not being able to speak?
Jessica 4:28
Yeah, I think I was thinking what I was trying to say but I literally there was no word coming out. Really? Yeah.
Bill 4:40
So you were at hospital for work. You had an AVM rupture and you found yourself being in the best place at the right time. Was it CT scan immediately what happened after that?
Jessica 4:56
Yeah, so I went downstairs for AA and they rushed me and I was like, This is so like weird and they rushed me an ambulance to the neurological center. And I had a CT scan straightaway and yeah confirms a stroke or brain hemorrhage.
Bill 5:18
Wow, what happened after that? What was the process that they took you through?
Jessica 5:23
And they started me on Keppra which is a seizure meds, just in case I had a seizure. And I was bed bound They said like, I can’t move or anything. And then I was sent up to the neurological wards. And then yeah, that’s where the story starts really.
Bill 5:47
Did you have surgery after that?
Jessica 5:48
Yeah, I did. Um, I had a craniotomy to remove the AVM. And it didn’t really go to plan to be honest. The operation was meant to take about five hours. But I had a hemorrhage on the table again. So it took about nine hours. And I ended up in ITU. And the surgeon straight to my parents and said like, he wasn’t sure how my condition will be. He said, like, I probably won’t walk talk like, I’m probably not going to be as normal as I was before which.
Bill 6:38
Wow. So when you work up, How long after your surgery? Do you have any recollection of how long it was? After you kind of woke up and started to realize that you were in a hospital bed?
Jessica 6:51
I woke up and I just saw my parents like waving through the door and then That’s it. That’s all I can really remember. The ICU experience. I can’t really remember to be honest.
Bill 7:07
Yeah. Wow, that is fascinating before the stroke happened or before the hemorrhage occurred. Was there any signs leading up to that day to go to work? Did you have any idea that perhaps there was something serious going on in your body?
Jessica 7:26
No so I was in Australia 73 hours before that, and living my life like living the dream. And then I went home to Devon, no sign of anything, and then ready to work fine. And then suddenly that was it, it’s so weird.
Bill 7:44
So unexpected and so young, and everybody’s going, everyone’s probably freaking out. How did your family cope with all this sudden drama and emergency?
Jessica 7:57
Well, they live in Devon which is about four or five hours away from London and they got the call and I think they didn’t really know the situation until they got there and there were all like really positive and you know kept me positive and didn’t stress me out but I think behind the scenes everyone was pretty stressed out.
Bill 8:28
You woke up from surgery what did you notice about what was different about your body? Did you have any idea of what was different what was happening to you?
Jessica 8:40
I’m not really to be honest, My speech wasn’t actually changed. So it was quite minimal, but I could still like do some hand actions. But I noticed I couldn’t read or anything like that.
Bill 9:03
Did you have any problems walking any numbness on any one of your limbs or anything like that.
Physical challenges after the surgery
Jessica 9:10
My right side was um, yeah, was quite weak. So I couldn’t like holding a glass or anything like that. I could move it. But yeah, and I couldn’t walk at all.
Bill 9:26
Did you have to have rehabilitation as a result of that?
Jessica 9:30
Yeah physio which was quite hard because I probably was bed bound for like two weeks, because I had to, obviously do my ITU experience, which is like a week and then it was moved to HDU. And then I was like bed bound and then the physio started getting me up, but it was a nightmare.
Bill 9:55
What’s, it u and H GG?
Jessica 9:58
Oh, sorry, intensive care sorry.
Bill 10:02
And HDU is?
Jessica 10:04
High dependency. It’s just a step down from ITU.
Bill 10:12
Right. Okay. So then, did you have some time and rehabilitation was it two weeks in rehabilitation?
Jessica 10:20
And so I probably spent four weeks on high dependency. And then I had speech and language every day. And the occupational therapists actually show me quite a lot because my short term memory was like, literally gone. I couldn’t remember anything.
Bill 10:42
Wow, how long ago was this now? So we’re in? It’s April 2020. And when did this all happen?
Jessica 10:52
January 31, 2019. Yeah, so last year.
Bill 10:57
It’s been a year.
Jessica 10:59
Yeah, I’m so lucky to be honest. But yeah.
Bill 11:02
Yeah, we are. What were the main things that you had to relearn how to do again.
Jessica 11:10
I guess my speech was one of the main things, and I probably still struggle with that at times, especially when I’m tired. So when I went home from the hospital, I had like intensive speech and language for quite a long time. And yeah, which was tricky at times, but we got through it.
Bill 11:34
Yeah, what did it mean for your driving and just being a normal person for you know on a daily basis, what did that mean for what you could no longer do.
Having epilepsy while in AVM recovery
Jessica 11:47
And so I couldn’t drive. And I now have epilepsy as a consequence. So I can’t drive at all now until I didn’t have a seizure for a year.
Bill 12:01
And is the epilepsy. Something that you notice coming on? Is it something serious that occurs? Or is it something that you can manage and control when you become aware of it?
Jessica 12:12
And to be honest, I literally get no signs at all. And so I just like fall on the floor (inaudible) remember really.
Bill 12:23
Wow and you fall on the floor have you hurt yourself doing that at all?
Jessica 12:27
The first time? Yeah, I did. But I can usually manage to get on the floor. I literally have like five seconds and then it all starts.
Bill 12:38
And then you need people around you to help you recover from that. How does that work?
Jessica 12:46
So usually, it’s like an ambulance has to come because they literally last like 40 minutes. It’s not like a quick like two minutes or anything is quite intense.
Bill 12:57
Right. Does it require hospitalization as well?
Jessica 13:01
Yeah.
Bill 13:04
Wow, so you’ve been through a quite a tough time. And it seems like you’re still going through a tough time. Is it getting better? What are you noticing about? what’s getting better for you?
Jessica 13:15
Yeah, definitely. My speech is like, you if you didn’t know me, you probably think like, I’m just a normal person. And this is my speech. And I have to think about what I’ve been saying. And sometimes the words don’t come out. My walking’s absolutely fine. I’m so lucky with that. And, it’s just the epilepsyand in speech really, that have been affected. But yeah.
Bill 13:47
And have you been able to get back to work as a result of the time that’s passed since you’ve had a stroke or are you not back at work yet?
Jessica 13:57
I actually went back to work on February 3rd so basically a year after my stroke, as a nurse, but obviously with this situation going on, I’m back in Devon, for now and then we’ll see what happens.
Bill 14:14
How do you find being back at work? Now that you’re a stroke survivor? You’re somebody who’s got a real experience of something really dramatic, even at the age of 22. How did you find going back to work?
Jessica 14:31
I was relieved to be back because, to be honest, we didn’t think I’d ever work again. And I was when I’m with the same teams, everyone knows me and I had a lot of visitors during my time, like in the flat and Wimbledon, so everyone knew the situation. We’re really really helpful. It’s a bit weird going back to the place it happened. I’m, that took me a while but other than that, and I also forgot that the AVM wasn’t completely removed. So I had to have Gamma Knife. I don’t know if you know what that is.
Gamma Knife to remove the AVM
Bill 15:18
Tell me little bit about that is that radiation?
Jessica 15:23
Yeah it’s radiation just to zap away the AVM hopefully, but it works really slowly so it probably takes about five years and then we’ll have to see whether it’s working
Bill 15:40
And you have to have ongoing Gamma Knife procedures?
Jessica 15:47
So after five years, they’ll do an angiogram and then we’ll see how it is and if it’s still there, then we’ll have to do another cycle. But hopefully, it won’t be there.
Bill 16:03
Fingers crossed. So what happened with the surgery though? So you still had a craniotomy? I saw the scar on Instagram that’s quite a awesome scar.
Jessica 16:11
Yeah, crazy.
Bill 16:12
What was the outcome of the surgery? What did that achieve?
Jessica 16:19
So that was hopefully to remove the AVM, but it was too deep. So they’ve removed quite a lot of it. But some of it still remains.
Bill 16:33
Right. Okay. So they’ve gone in and they’ve decided to not go any further and then leave it be, get you out of the hospital get you’re recovering and then treat it with a gamma knife. So that its less in weight is that right?
Jessica 16:50
Yeah, you’re right. You’re right.
Bill 16:52
Now, tell me this whole experience has it made you a better nurse?
Jessica 16:58
Yeah, I think Yeah, definitely. It makes you think you empathize more. And you think about things like, you know, the parents and how they’re feeling because sometimes you just, you know, so busy, you just get on with it and you’re just focusing on the child, but actually, you really need to focus on the parent as well. Because if they’re not positive and, you know, resilient, then the child is not going to get better. As soon as like as quickly.
Bill 17:31
You’re a nurse and you have all this inside information about medical stuff. Does that make you feel better about what you’ve learned about your experience? Or because you know what, you know, does it give you some kind of a sense of underlying concern?
Jessica 17:49
No, I think during the whole experience, obviously I knew, like my observations and whether they were normal or like not, but actually that was made me actually, It made me understand the situation more, I think. Because obviously I knew what was going on really, because some people obviously wouldn’t know.
Bill 18:15
They wouldn’t have a clue. I’m the kind of guy that needs a whole bunch of information. I need to know everything I need to ask all the questions, whether it’s good or bad. Do you find that being a nurse gave you that opportunity to really be in control a little bit about the information? And is that a good thing for you?
Jessica 18:34
I think because at the time I can speak it’s quite frustrating because obviously I wanted to know, like you said, everything that was going on, but obviously I couldn’t express myself. So we had like a word board to try and like I could throw the things I wanted to say but obviously if it’s quite complex, than obviously I could have.
Bill 19:00
Yeah, then it becomes harder to communicate what you want and it takes a lot longer. So what were some of the things that you wanted to communicate that you couldn’t get the message across for?
Jessica 19:13
I guess as a nurse, I wanted to know, the jobs and you know the dosages and stuff like that. Obviously, I couldn’t ask that.
Bill 19:23
Yeah, why did you feel you needed to know that the type of medication you’re on and the doses?
Jessica 19:31
I think, obviously, because like the Keppra and stuff, obviously that is like an anti seizure one. And obviously, I know like you steroids and stuff like that, obviously that I was on by just wanting to know the dose because obviously I know how like, serious it is or not, not as serious.
Bill 19:51
Yeah, I see what you’re saying. Now as a girl with beautiful blonde hair, long hair, how did you deal with the whole they’re going to cut my hair situation, or were you aware of that? Or did you kind of work that out later? And then
Sharing scars after stroke
Jessica 20:08
Yeah, I think, yeah, it’s one of those things you just have to get over, don’t you? I think, you know, we had to do the surgery. Otherwise I’d probably have another stroke. So we just thought we’ve got to get on with it really. And I can cover up so yeah, it’s basically gone now. So that’s good.
Bill 20:25
So what did they do just take out the bit that they were going to do the incision on?
Jessica 20:30
Yes, the surgeon he was really good. He just literally did from here, back to my ear and that’s it. He didn’t like shave, anything that doesn’t need to be shaved. So got quite lucky.
Bill 20:44
I got to prepare my self for the surgery. I was told that we’re going to have surgery on this particular day. So I went and got the hairdresser to give me a number zero like basically what I’ve got now but completely bald. The funniest thing happened because it was a, i think it wasn’t a Zero was a number one. It was really, really short everywhere.
Bill 21:11
And then it was shaved in the area where they opened my head up. And then as it started to grow back, I had this really weird look. It was kind of long, and then it had like a line. And it looked really bizarre and strange. So four days after my surgery, I had to shave it again. So I dont look too silly.
Jessica 21:34
How is yours healed?
Bill 21:36
Yeah, it’s healed. Amazing. It’s been four years or so. And you can’t really see it at all.
Jessica 21:47
No, not at all.
Bill 21:49
If I cut my hair really short, where from time to time I do. You can see it. It does come through but not a lot. The hair has mainly grown back.
Jessica 21:59
Oh, that’s good.
Bill 22:02
So with you is it visible that all or only when you move your hair?
Jessica 22:08
Just when I move my hair back which if you didn’t know that you just think it’s a little bit bald you know which you know people have so yeah, I’m quite lucky.
Bill 22:19
For different reasons. Yeah.
Jessica 22:21
Yeah, exactly.
Bill 22:23
So tell me about the next few years What are they like for you What have you got planned to do and achieve?
Jessica 22:32
I think just to getting my new normal routine backs obviously, I was living in Devon until like six months last year. I’m just getting used to being in the flat on my own because I don’t really like to be on my own now. We’ve got a alarm fitted so I can press it if I needed any assistance. And then just seeing how it goes really and to be honest.
Bill 23:02
Has it impacted your relationships with your friends? Or did you have a boyfriend or a partner or anything like that?
Jessica 23:11
With my friends, they’re amazing. I think it brought us all closer to be honest. Because at times at least you really realize who’s there, don’t you? And I’m sure you realize that too.
Bill 23:23
Yeah. I think one of the biggest things that happened for me was I really realized who were the ones that would say something like, if there’s anything you need, let me know. And when I asked for their help, they really actually stepped up and made a difference. They actually surprised me. But when I asked them, they actually said yes. Did you find that as well?
Jessica 23:50
Yeah, definitely. And just from just from their being in the house and in the flat and stuff like that. It made my communication better because I was always talking in communication with someone else other than my family. So that was really good actually.
Bill 24:08
Yeah, were you with a partner at the time?
Intro 24:10
If you’ve had a stroke, and you’re in recovery, you’ll know what a scary and confusing time it can be, you’re likely to have a lot of questions going through your mind. Like, how long will it take to recover? Will I actually recover? What things should I avoid? In case I make matters worse, doctors will explain things. But obviously, because you’ve never had a stroke before, you probably don’t know what questions to ask.
Intro 24:36
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Intro 24:55
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Jessica 25:24
No. A bit since then, yeah.
Bill 25:27
Since then, so you’re living with somebody now? And how soon did you make him aware of what your challenges were?
Jessica 25:35
Well, he was just on the scene before and then after the stroke he didn’t see us quite a while because obviously everything was happening. And then, he obviously was told quite a lot of things. But yeah, he really doesn’t he know when I have my Instagram account. Sometimes he’s like oh, that happened. And yeah, he didn’t really know something’s.
Bill 26:04
So he’s just catching up on all of the juicy details now rather than earlier on.
Jessica 26:10
Yeah, you’re right.
Bill 26:13
Does he find it weird when you start a sentence and can’t get to the end of it when you forget what you’re going to say?
Jessica 26:19
No, he’s quite understanding to be honest. Yeah, definitely. Because I guess he knew he saw me at probably my worst of my speaking. So obviously is definitely a lot better. Yeah.
Bill 26:31
Yeah, that’s awesome. How are you affected? Now? A lot of people that experienced a stroke experienced some kind of other challenges, you know, anxiety or things like that. Did you find any challenges with your mental health or anything like that?
Jessica 26:49
To be honest, I think I’m quite lucky. I think the only time that it is not really able to go to things like nights out and stuff like that. I probably can’t do that anymore. But my friends are really understanding and stuff like that. So I’m quite lucky and my family really supportive and, you know, they taught me to like be, like really positive and stuff like that. So, to be honest, that hasn’t really affected me. At the moment. You never know what’s gonna happen to you. But yeah, at the moment, I’m all good. Thank you.
Bill 27:23
Awesome. And what’s interesting is that you’re not able to go out because of the stroke. And now none of us are able to go out because of this other thing that’s happening around the planet.
Jessica 27:33
I know it’s crazy isn’t it?
Bill 27:34
It’s no real different is it? However, tell me about your reason why you couldn’t go out at nights. What was stopping you from being able to be out at a club for example.
Jessica 27:51
And because obviously with this epilepsy now I can’t really drink and sometimes it’s my tiredness that affects me that’s when I have a fit. So I really don’t want to risk it.
Bill 28:07
Yeah, so it’s better to be cautious. And do you find that lights or noise like that sounds music that affects you?
Jessica 28:18
No not at all actually I’m quite lucky at the beginning like light is I hate I literally hated them sometimes. If I have like the spotlight. I don’t like that. But other than that, yeah, I’m quite fine. Really? Yeah.
Bill 28:35
That’s amazing. I saw the scan on Instagram of the bleed in your brain. That was quite (inaudible) took up right?
Jessica 28:45
Yeah.
Bill 28:48
Did that happen really rapidly? Did it become that big that bleed very rapidly?
Jessica 28:55
Huh? Yeah. So crazy. Like when you show a doctor Now they’re like God how do you survive that? Like, it’s crazy, isn’t it?
Bill 29:04
Yeah, it’s really amazing. It just goes to show that every stroke is different, and every person is different. But there’s real hope in having a conversation with you and getting to know you a little bit. There’s such an amount of hope for people that are freshly going through this or have just, you know, who knows somebody who’s just gone through this.
Bill 29:25
Such a great amount of hope that people can work on recovering and get better and getting back to some kind of a normal life. And now this experience, I wouldn’t wish it upon anybody. But isn’t that amazing that this experience that has happened to a nurse who’s 20 something years old can now support her in doing a better job? While she’s caring for other people?
Jessica 29:52
Yeah, it’s crazy, isn’t it? Yeah. And that’s why I want to create that Instagram account. Because you know, we need to be positive and you know, share our experiences. So people, you’ve you’ve got to get through having you’ve got a hope and yeah.
Bill 30:11
So what are your family and parents think? are they keeping an eye on you? Are they fussing over you how they behaving now that it’s been a year that things are sort of starting to settle a little,
Jessica 30:23
and I think behind the scenes of they’re probably a bit stressed, but they don’t really show it at all. I think my mom probably worries about it more than my dad. Just cuz he’s like a really chill person. We’re quite lucky.
Bill 30:39
Yeah, look, Jess it’s been awesome to get to know you a little bit. I really appreciate you being on the podcast and sharing your story. I wish you all the best with the recovery ongoing, and I think it’s gonna make you an amazing nurse next level. Amazing. And at such a young Age. I think it’s going to give you a lot of life experience early on and you’re going to be able to use that in a real positive way. Although I understand that it’s challenging and I would have much preferred not to be having a conversation with you about a stroke that you had.
Jessica 31:15
Yeah, thank you that’s really kind.
Intro 31:19
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