Introduction
After a stroke, recovery doesn’t end when rehab does. For many survivors, that’s when confusion begins.
Fatigue, brain fog, limited appointment time, and conflicting advice make it incredibly hard to know what actually helps. And while research is advancing rapidly, most survivors are left trying to piece together answers from podcasts, Facebook groups, and late-night Google searches.
That’s why this conversation with Jessica Dove London, founder of turnto.ai, matters.
The Hidden Problem in Stroke Recovery: Information Overload
Stroke survivors aren’t lacking motivation. They’re drowning in disconnected information — and often too exhausted to process it.
Bill shares how, after stroke and brain surgery, even short bursts of research felt impossible. Jessica explains how parents and patients are expected to become full-time researchers — on top of surviving life-changing diagnoses.
Why “Just Ask Your Doctor” Isn’t Enough
Doctors care deeply. But no clinician can keep up with thousands of new stroke-related publications every week.
This gap leaves survivors feeling dismissed — not because professionals don’t care, but because systems aren’t built for rapid knowledge sharing.
“You shouldn’t have to rely on luck or Facebook groups to find something that could change your recovery.”
How Tunrto.ai Changes the Stroke Recovery Equation
turnto.ai doesn’t replace doctors. It reduces the cognitive load on survivors.
Jessica explains how the platform:
- Reads thousands of new stroke resources weekly
- Filters by your stage of recovery and priorities
- Surfaces research, patient experience, and expert insight together
- Updates automatically as your needs change
For survivors managing fatigue, this alone is transformative.
Real Examples: From Spasticity to Stem Cells
Bill demonstrates how Tunrto.ai can instantly surface:
- Evidence and cautions around emerging treatments
- Patient experiences that add real-world context
- Research trends and unanswered questions
Instead of hours of searching, survivors gain clarity — and better conversations with their care teams.
Why This Restores Hope After Stroke
Hope doesn’t come from miracle cures.
It comes from visibility — knowing what exists, what’s emerging, and what’s worth asking about.
Tunrto.ai doesn’t promise answers.
It promises orientation — and that changes everything.
Conclusion & CTA
If you’re a stroke survivor who feels lost, overwhelmed, or unsure where to look next, tools like turnto.ai represent a new way forward.
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You’re not alone — and better answers are closer than you think.
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This blog is for informational purposes only and does not constitute medical advice. Please consult your doctor before making any changes to your health or recovery plan.
When Stroke Recovery Meets AI — Finding Clarity Faster with Jessica Dove London
After stroke, finding answers shouldn’t depend on luck. Discover how AI is changing stroke recovery with Jessica Dove London.
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Highlights:
00:00 Introduction to the Journey
09:17 The Birth of Turn2.ai
19:07 Navigating Information Overload
27:10 The Onboarding Process Explained
35:28 Real-Life Applications and Success Stories
43:57 Empowering Patients Through Collaboration
Transcript:
Introduction to AI for stroke recovery
Bill Gasiamis (00:00)
Hey everyone, if you’ve ever struggled to find information about tools, treatments, or resources that could actually help you on your stroke recovery journey, this interview is a game-changer. One of the reasons I’m so passionate about doing this podcast is because of my purpose behind it. And that purpose is simple, to connect people with information, to connect people with tools, and to connect people with other people.
who truly understand what this journey is like. After a stroke, finding reliable up-to-date information is exhausting. You’re dealing with fatigue, brain fog, limited time, and often very little guidance beyond rehab. In today’s episode, you’re going to hear from Jessica Dove London, my new hero, the founder of Turnto.ai, a tool designed to help people like us find relevant stroke recovery information much
faster with less effort and far less energy delivered straight into your email inbox.
This is not a sponsored episode, but it is an episode about a solution I genuinely believe can change how stroke survivors find answers. Let’s get into it.
Bill Gasiamis (01:13)
Jessica Dove London, welcome to the podcast.
Jessica Dove London (01:16)
Great to be here Bill
Bill Gasiamis (01:17)
Sometimes when people send me emails, they go into the inbox and then they’re kind of like, I’ll look at that when I get back to it, when I get back to it, I get back to it. And I saw the email that you sent to me when you reached out to tell me about this amazing new product. And I thought, well, another amazing new product. There’s plenty of them. And usually the products that people kind of email me about are not relevant to Stroke. And people are just trying to get onto podcasts and all that kind of stuff. And I get it.
I’ve got no issue with that. If they’re relevant, I love sending new information to people. And one of the biggest challenges is determining what’s going to be the most helpful thing. How can I get things out that are not just another thing to talk about for the sake of talking about it? And then I didn’t respond to your email because it kind of goes down to the bottom of the list when all the other new ones come in and I’ll get to that. get to that. And then I saw a link in my
I comment on my LinkedIn and I thought, okay, this is familiar. I’ve seen this before. Let me check it out. And then I checked it out and thought, what an idiot. Why haven’t I contacted this person back quicker? This product is amazing. But before we talk about turnto.ai, give me a little bit of a background. I just want to get a sense of how it is that somebody comes up with the idea. I know what I’m going to do. I’m going to create a product that brings information to people.
more rapidly than ever before so that they can decrease the amount of time it takes to learn new and amazing things that are coming up about their condition.
Jessica Dove London (02:50)
Yeah, well, Bill, I did really like your podcast. That’s why I linked in you as well. I actually really liked your podcast because, you know, from where I come from, my son has a rare type of cerebral palsy. We actually don’t have a podcast like this where it’s a patient-led, you know, quest for finding the most useful, cutting-edge, relevant type information. So I really liked your channel. But I guess where do, where do, you know, where do a lot of these things come from?
from my lived experience. So when my son was 18 months old, he was diagnosed with a rare type of cerebral palsy, which is a little bit similar to Parkinson’s in his rare type. And when I went along, when he got diagnosed, I went along to his appointment, we knew he had something and I took a big research paper along systematic review and the doctor said, nothing you can do to help him. There’s no medication, surgery. She even told me, don’t bother reading those papers. And I just,
went on this journey that maybe a lot of people listening relate to when you are given something or you’re recovering, we have this huge life change of wondering what can I do to improve my son’s quality of life? And this real question, like, can I do anything? He’s amazing as he is, but we want to unlock the whole world for him. So I just went on this journey for years, finding treatments for him. And we just kept finding treatments and some were incredibly life impacting. And almost all of them were in the medical literature.
I just had to decipher them. I traveled the world, how did every world leader ended up studying neuroscience? We, we had a big YouTube channel where we shared our stories and I went to a huge conference with all these academics and this one world leader got up on the stage and she shared these incredible things coming for cerebral palsy, which actually is some relevance for stroke because there’s a lot of things that are free. They’re, sort of based on neuroplasticity. They’re very accessible. And I actually put my hand up and said, I shouldn’t have to fly around the world.
to learn about cutting edge things that could help my son or help people right now. you know, I guess I just live this experience that think many people do where all the cutting edge information can be all over the place. It can live in these research papers. It can live in the patient community. It can live in those incredible healthcare providers, but you have to sign or in clinical trials, you know, you don’t know, you have to piece it all together and then work out what’s relevant for me.
because you know, you could be sitting in a Facebook group, you could be listening to podcasts like this, but there’s so much time that is wasted and opportunity that is wasted while you’re trying to work out all these things. And for most people, you don’t have the world leading best healthcare providing team. Who knows everything doing that work for you. You have to do it on your own. So yeah, just live that problem of trying to find the cutting edge thing to help my son and you know,
For two years, it took me two years, we did find a whole lot of things.
Bill Gasiamis (05:40)
Yeah, two years. my gosh. And I mean, you’d give more than two years to your son, but it’s not about that. It’s about, doing it more quickly than two years. And from stroke perspective, do you have a stroke? Your brain doesn’t work properly. And then trying to sit there and get through, data, texts, videos, all that kind of stuff. I only was able to find like very small amounts of time in between.
⁓ feeling terrible most of the time. And then, ⁓ my gosh, I’m feeling good right now. And then it’s a priority. Like what do I do now that I’m feeling good for five minutes or 10 minutes or an hour? And for me, I, I was very keen to kind of, understand what I can do to support myself. And I knew for certain there was stuff that doctors weren’t delivering when able to deliver, didn’t know about, weren’t telling me that if I did the research that, and I found that I could implement something that was
easy for me to implement. for me, just perfect example would be nutrition. But in my conversations with doctors, when I asked them about, this something I can stop eating or start eating to help my brain? There was no information out. There’s probably nothing that wouldn’t matter. Just go about the treatment that we’re offering. And then as a mom or a parent, let’s say as a parent who has a child who has needs beyond the
quote unquote normal. It’s like, I’ve got to do all these extra things as a parent for my child. And I’ve got to have my life. I’ve got to do work and do all the things that parents do other than just parenting. And then somehow in there, I’ve got to find a flight to a conference to the other side of the world to hear a researcher maybe, and it’s only like a maybe share something that’ll be life-changing and supportive. And that’s kind of…
where I was at, was in the same place. And I thought, what I’ll do is I’ll create a conversation so that people can come to me. We can chat about it amongst other things, share stories. But then hopefully somebody on my YouTube channel says, do you know about this? And then that happened. And then that was a problem as well, because it’s like, I don’t know about this. I don’t even know where to begin to have a conversation about that with you. And if I needed to…
do the research on something that I was asked about will take ages. Now, one of the questions I had recently was, you know about methylene blue? And it’s this ridiculously kind of current topic about improving mitochondrial function for people. And as a result of that, people are finding out how you can take that and they’re taking it, which I wouldn’t recommend. And, and now I don’t…
The Birth of Turnto.ai
And now I’ve got to go and do, I don’t know how many searches to find all the data on Methylene Blue and I don’t know where they’re hiding. Read them, spend my entire time to read them, know, spend all my time to read them and then somehow kind of give people feedback on what I’ve read because that’s the role that I’ve decided to play. And now that’s what they’re expecting of me, but it takes ages. It’s forever. So then a little while later, what happened was you, you said, you know, have a look at turnto.ai.
check it out, tell me what you think. And then I did. And I was able to see the power of being able to have the research just sent to me in my inbox because I asked the AI to do it and it does it on a regular basis. And in a moment we’ll share about it. But then tell me a little bit about that transition for you from I’m traveling all over the world to nah, stuff that. I’m gonna do that from.
my office in Brisbane, in Australia. I’m not going to travel the whole world to find out this information. It’s not efficient enough. How do you move from mum with a problem to mum with a massive solution?
Jessica Dove London (09:31)
I mean, I guess, you know, those first five years I was just full-time mom and just doing, you know, we did all the things we did into all the therapy centers. And I, you know, I guess it’s really interesting that question you had. you have these really tricky questions or people ask you questions or you’re on a Facebook group and you see people talking about something you’ve never heard about. Yeah. I was just trying to pull those pieces together because I had the capacity to do that reading. Often it was late at night.
think one of the biggest challenges is often at the beginning of your journey, you don’t have the context. You don’t know the map that you’re even looking at. All you know is the impact it’s having immediately and the potential future impact and all those really hard things that you’re facing. so probably for those first five years, I was just pulling everything together messily and someone’s trying things, low risk things, all these different things, trying to get the best people to give us that advice.
However, you know, after those five years, I went to that REITs big conference and actually initially got an AI grant to do a research project, an AI research project. And I had a really good friend get lung cancer, stage four lung cancer and a good friend get MS. And they just had the same problem that I was having. And so I just knew there was something here. And so initially what we did is we actually just brought all the treatments that exist for cerebral palsy in one place. And there were over 220 treatments and most patient knew about five to 10. And these are,
science backed different protocol treatments people are doing and having some impact on. They having some evidence of things that are working. And so the problem is just really wild because you again, you’re told, I’ll just try these few things, but there’s actually legitimate scientific leading people with all these other ideas and some of it’s really working. So I just, I initially I did that. And then when my kids started school,
⁓ I decided to start a tech platform because I saw this as a really huge problem, but I knew I needed a world-class engineering team because I knew AI had to be part of this. And this was before all the LLM, all the open AI. don’t know if people’s familiar with AI, familiarity with AI is. Before all of this amazing sort of last few years, I was using sort of different, more sort of machine learning to try and just bring the data in and categorize it.
but really just trying to make it accessible for people.
Bill Gasiamis (11:51)
Before we continue, want to pause for just a moment. If you’ve been listening to this conversation and thinking, I don’t have the energy to search research papers, Facebook groups, podcasts, and forums just to find one useful thing, you’re not alone.
exact problem is why this episode matters. What Jessica has built with turnto.ai is a way to reduce the mental and physical effort it takes to stay informed.
after a stroke. Instead of searching endlessly, relevant information is found for you based on where you are in your recovery and sent straight to your inbox. There’s a listener discount available which you’ll find in the show notes and I’ve also created a page with more details at recoveryafterstroke.com/turnto that’s recoveryafterstroke.com/turnto
But stay around, listen to the rest of this episode before you go and check out recoveryafterstroke.com/turnto, to get the discount code.
All right, let’s get back to the conversation.
Jessica Dove London (12:55)
yeah, I guess it was definitely a journey I didn’t go from, know, the first few years it was just heads down, fully in care mode, trying to deliver all the care, trying to access all the experts. And then slowly I just went on this journey to eventually being full time running this team of amazing people from the tech space. I knew this should be a tech solution because
You know, I think one of the unfortunate things is, is amazing groups out there, amazing orgs out there, but they often are technology specialists. So I don’t build things that can continue to be relevant. They often make really high quality resources and then the resources are actually not relevant even for you doing a search. You know, you do a search and then what happens in a month when there’s something new that’s come out about that. So yeah, we’re on that journey and probably the cornerstone of what we’ve built is this belief we have that all the voices matter.
And so research matters, patient experience matter, leading professionals, experts matter. And actually they sometimes can hold different pieces of the puzzle. probably unlike other tools that you’ll see out there and when we show what we’ve built and how we build it, that’s the key thing. The other thing we believe is that new information matters and it’s too much work for one person, let alone a doctor, a specialist can’t even stay up to date on the disease because
know, stroke is actually got an unbelievable amount of things that are created every week. can be over 2000 new things every week in stroke that are being published from expert interviews to new research to clinical trials to patient discussions to incredible events. It’s just wild. Like there’s actually so much incredible stuff happening. But you can’t find it all and you can’t read it all.
Bill Gasiamis (14:39)
Yeah, absolutely. And that’s why when I had a little bit of a play with Tony, with Turn 2…
It was cool because I’m not interested in everything that stroke has to offer me. The research has taught me, but I’m interested in certain things and I’m interested on things specifically that my followers and listeners on my podcast want to know about, you know, so I’d love to be able to bring that to them. So then I had a bit of a play and then we’re going to move to that. I’m going to share the screen in a minute and we’ll talk about that actual screen and the solution, but there is an onboarding process, which we’re not going to.
show today but can we talk about it a little bit just to give people a sense of how people they’ll come across turn to and then they’ll go okay ⁓ i want to start and then i want to make sure i get information information for just the stuff that i’m interested in how does the onboarding work
Jessica Dove London (15:21)
Yeah.
Yeah, I guess this is again, thing of like, you know, we’ve built a tool that you’re about to see where we want to keep you up to date, read every single new thing and just give you a handful of things. So how do we do that? And so the way we designed this is to find out what’s on top right now. If you’ve just had a stroke, you’re in a very different stage to one year post, two year post, five year post. the reality is of a patient journey is
Bill Gasiamis (15:40)
Hmm.
Jessica Dove London (16:02)
you are always changing, know, you know, we have things, new things come up and then you suddenly feel like you’re at the beginning again or new symptoms come up and you get very confused. Like, is this related? I’m like, I have to talk to my doctor. What’s happening here? I’ve just started a new medication. There’s always things happening. So we ask just five questions and the questions are just all about right now. and sort of some key different attributes around your recovery journey or your journey because
Sometimes some information is less relevant for certain groups than others. I’m in a cerebral palsy space, your subtype really matters because it’s actually completely different neurology. And so you might find this incredible breakthrough and it just not be relevant for the subtype, which is actually the case for my son. My son has a very rare subtype, which makes like, you know, anything published on his subtype is like gold because you’re like, wow, a new sort of thing has come out. Yeah. So what we’ve done is,
made the onboarding about what are you facing this week with your stroke recovery? You know, what is the symptom you’re worried about? And the thing about the tool is, you know, that week it’ll, it’ll go and read the thousands of new things and it will then match you according to what’s on top for you. And it’ll also go and do specific searches on your location. So if you’re living in Sydney, you’re living in anyway, Los Angeles, London, it’ll search for that week for stroke.
what is happening in that city. And the reason that’s so helpful sometimes is there are groups, there’s new clinical trials, there’s so many things that are all these incredible people are putting on webinars, like online support, online educational things. So we match you to all of those things every single week. But yeah, really it’s what are you doing with dealing with right now? And then if you get to Sunday, cause that’s when we send our update out and you’ve got something new that’s come up, you just can talk or type and say,
hey, I’m not interested, I’m now interested in keto and I’m interested in this and it will just make you, it’ll create new priorities. Cause that’s the real journey of living with a competition.
Bill Gasiamis (18:05)
I love that it does change at the beginning. It was all about fatigue. How do I improve my fatigue? And then later on it was like, how do I improve my sleep? And then later on it was after, you know, after brain surgery, it’s a completely different, uh, um, inquiries that I was making on YouTube, Google, wherever I was like, you know, how do I overcome a brain surgery, all that kind of stuff. Um, and then also at the beginning, some of those problems I solved like, then
Jessica Dove London (18:25)
Yeah. Yeah.
Exactly.
Bill Gasiamis (18:35)
I thought, okay, what’s the next one I need to solve?
Jessica Dove London (18:38)
Yeah,
that’s right. The funny thing about health information is though, cause one of the things we’ve built, if let’s say you’ve tried something though, and there has been new research that’s come out about post impact, you may get that in your update because, know, let’s say you did a surgery or you did sort of some sort of intervention there. Sometimes studies coming out about five years post that intervention. And actually that’s really useful for you because what if it, this new potential thing you should be testing for? I think the key to what we,
Navigating Information Overload
Have learned from building these tools is you don’t actually know what you don’t know. And like, I think most people here have had that experience of sitting in a Facebook group, listening to your podcast. You learn something new and you go, ⁓ I wish I knew this. ⁓ it feels like luck. And I think that is just a really challenging thing because your health is so much more important than luck, but it can feel like that. You know, I can literally remember when I’ve been in a Facebook group and someone first mentioned this surgery that we ended up doing.
took us a year to make the decision, but it was like, ⁓ my goodness, what is this they’re talking about? And then I went to my, our surgeon and the surgeon was very, very dismissive even though there was huge body of literature behind this particular intervention. So then I had to find another specialist and so it begins.
Bill Gasiamis (19:53)
Yeah.
That’s a great thing too, as well. Like if you could be facing roadblocks that are based on other people and that, and then if you don’t have like some kind of ammunition to take to them to say, but you know, how about this? That’s one of the challenges. Cause then, you know, they kind of say, well, there’s no data. I haven’t seen it. If I haven’t seen, I’m a doctor. Like, you know, what do you know? How are you going to be the perfect person that makes the decision?
gatekeepers of information bother the hell out of me. Like I hate people who have information and think that because they have it, that they sort of hold the key to how that information is disseminated. But then also people who discourage people from doing searches on what may help them, you know, this is my life, it’s my condition. I wanna be able to find things to help me to make my life better. So I don’t have to be in the hospital system so I can go back to life.
so I can improve things. So luck is not part of the equation. If I didn’t jump into that Facebook group today and didn’t see that post, I would have missed it for years maybe.
Jessica Dove London (20:56)
And this stuff just is always happening. It is pretty wild. And again, the reality is that there is just information is everywhere. And I think even for people who favor research, research takes years to come out. And who decides what should be researched? When we did our first research project, when I started this work, one of the things we did is we collected patient stories of treatment reviews.
popular treatment at the time, had no research behind it in the cerebral palsy space, but very low risk. It was like an intensive physio type protocol. And I actually shared this with a whole bunch of academics and a world leader came up to me and said, she’s now going to study this treatment. Because again, you know, are not academics sitting in Facebook groups.
or they’re not always, know, they’re not, you know, it takes years for these things to even begin to be getting researched. However, at the same time, are, like research has been, can be very, very helpful and it can also, you know, there are definitely a variety of things out there. Some things are snake oil, some things are, some things can look like snake oil and actually be the next best thing because there’s actually a sign, you know, reason why it’s working or we don’t know why it’s working. It is very hard to decide for all of this. Yeah.
Bill Gasiamis (22:17)
used to be hard. Now it’s a lot easier. Thank you very much. So I’m going to share my screen now so we can have a bit of a look at what we’re talking about.
Jessica Dove London (22:19)
Yeah.
Bill Gasiamis (22:26)
so this is the screen. Now, I’ve purposely resisted from clicking on the first two weekly updates at the top because I wanna kind of tell people what happened, why they’re there. But then I wanna go all the way down to the very first catch up that ⁓ I had with the software after I was onboarded, after I answered all the questions and did all that stuff.
It came to me, it said, these are some things that we found for you. And, ⁓ it said it found 18 things. It gave me this, ⁓ bar chart thingy, me jiggy here, which is not a bar chart. It’s actually an audio file telling me what it found. ⁓ and it gave me top insights, six things, and it told me one thing that was near me now, just for context.
said, I’m in Australia, in Melbourne, but I said I was in New York, New York. Okay. Just so that I can kind of get a sense of what happens when people from ⁓ other places in the world do a search. I kind of have an idea that if I had done the same thing, what type of results I would have got here. But the reason I did that is because I believe it or not, stroke survivors have reached out to me from New York and said, do I know any stroke survivors in New York? I’m in Australia, in Melbourne. Like technically that answer should be no.
but I know heaps of people in other areas. But what I don’t know is what’s happening in those other areas. And what Tony found was ⁓ groups, meetups or something along those lines that were happening in New York for people. So I found that really interesting. So I could immediately do that search and get that
I click near you, all right, I’m not in New York guys, but if I click near you, look what it found. Hybrid event stroke support groups at Mount Sinai, Sinai, I know I butchered that, but it’s.
probably an event that is happening ⁓ in that area. Union Square, I think I know what that is. I think that is in Manhattan. And then it gives its thoughts. It says, this group could help you connect with survivors for emotional regulation and post-traumatic growth. Like, what? That was like a few minutes of searching immediately now. If I had even moved.
to New York, it was a brand new place where I’m living and I want to connect with people, I’ve automatically found that. mean, that is fantastic.
Jessica Dove London (24:58)
So Bill, when you get your update, you go to the, I found you, you can actually flick through all of the updates. And for people as well, can, if you go to click on what I found you, or if you just go back into it and then you can actually flick through them all. So you can flick through the research, the expert interviews, the patient discussions, the online events. And also for people who like email, you can get it all in an email. That’s sort of an easier experience for you, but you can just really quickly flick.
Bill Gasiamis (25:06)
what I found.
Yeah.
Jessica Dove London (25:28)
through all the relevant things that have found you. And it’s just matching to what you’ve said. So you would have said all those different sort of key things that are important to you. And then the whole thing we believe is we try not to use AI to give you necessarily a generic answer. We’re trying to use AI to find you the most interesting resources that already exist.
Bill Gasiamis (25:30)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I love it. this one, this week’s daily update. So I’ve had a few of those updates and I’ve clicked a lot of them. And they, as I was going through my mind a few weeks after I logged in for the first time, I would then put in a new search. And then the most recent email that I got or update that I got was this one here. And
It has found 17 new things for me and the top insights have been updated because one of the additional searches that I put in later after I did the onboarding was about hand spasticity. And then also I did, and look at this, I did a podcast with,
a stroke survivor called Jonathan and it has already found it and brought that to my attention as if I didn’t know about it. And Jonathan Aravello shares his story. That’s an interview that I did with a stroke survivor a little while ago and it already knows that it’s there. And then if you scroll down, I found if you scroll down, you just go through other things that people are talking about. Vivastim is a new product that
stroke survivors are talking about because it’s an implantable and it attaches to autonomic, to the vagus nerve and somehow it supports people to improve function and it helps with neuroplasticity and all that kind of stuff. I’m just stunned by all the information that came to me and…
The Onboarding Process Explained
And I had a question this week in my YouTube channel. Let me tell you what it is. And let’s see if we can just do a search and find some information on that product. STC30 stem cell treatment. I’ve got no idea where to start. How would I answer that question for the person? They asked me a lovely question. What can you say about the effectiveness of STC30 stem cell treatment? So I’m getting asked like I’m an expert in these areas.
I don’t mind, but that’s the kind of information that people are looking for. They’re going, how do I find information about that thing when nobody else out there will talk to me about it? They’re kind of like doing a Hail Mary shot. They’re going, I’m going to ask this guy on the podcast, maybe he knows about stem cells. Who would know about that? But check this out. If I do ask a question, if I say,tell me.
about ST.
C 30.
stem cells. I’m going to generate.
And I love this part about it too, the searching and the thinking that it does. ⁓ What specific outcomes or improvements are you hoping to achieve? And I’ll just say. ⁓
Less brain fatigue.
That’s brain fatigue.
Jessica Dove London (28:52)
It’s okay. It’s
actually you can make spelling mistakes.
Bill Gasiamis (28:56)
It knows it’s smarter than me.
Jessica Dove London (28:58)
mean, AI is very good at that. And probably for people watching this, you what would be the difference of this with ChatGPT? Because ChatGPT is amazing and it’s going to get better and better. But the difference of people to understand is we actually have an intelligent data set on stroke. So what we’ve done is we’ve taken the past 10 years of all the stroke information. So from research papers, we’ve actually gone through YouTube and found webinars with experts. We’ve gone through patient discussions, we’ve collected resources. And the reason we’ve done this is because
Bill Gasiamis (29:00)
Yeah.
Jessica Dove London (29:27)
Again, I really love Chatjibity. I highly recommend people use it. However, the difference is our belief is all voices matter. So when you ask questions, we’re actually going to give you answers from experts, from patients and from research. So that would be the difference of this tool. And the reason it can take probably up to a minute to find you an answer is Stroke actually has, I Stroke has 450,000 resources in the database that we built for Stroke. So Stroke’s a really, really big database.
I mean, it’s trying to look for that answer and then it’s trying to match you to it. I think that’s just, it hasn’t actually restarted. It’s just.
Bill Gasiamis (30:05)
It’s doing its thinking. It did seventy nine thousand searches.
Jessica Dove London (30:09)
And it’s trying to just match it to your profile, give you that answer. And it can get, there we go.
Bill Gasiamis (30:15)
Wow.
And then here we go, ST stem cells is marketed as a supplement that claims to support cellular repair and regeneration, but its efficacy and safety are not well established in clinical research. So that’s like a little bit of ⁓ initial information. And then here you go, the patient view, which is so important in this, isn’t it? It’s important to find people who may have had a procedure and have something to share about it. That’s so, so helpful.
And then what the research says, how many research papers has it got here? Wow. Look at that one, two, three, four, five, six, seven already research papers. And they’ll all have links to other research papers that, you know, made those ⁓ studies that sort of give those studies the initial information to get the ball rolling on them. And then,
systemic review here which check
Jessica Dove London (31:15)
Sometimes there’s not
actually even a full paper on that. I actually don’t know this topic, obviously, but if you go up to the summary, might even say, sometimes you might learn, there’s actually not specific papers on this. However, here are papers that are relevant. you click show style. It’s on the research here. you click post. So if you go down to what research says.
Bill Gasiamis (31:31)
Where’s the summary? do I do that?
Jessica Dove London (31:37)
You just scroll down, yep. And then you click show summary, see that pink little, but here we go. It shows you research trends, key findings, unknowns and mixed opinions, and all of it’s referenced. And that’s just because again, we’re trying to show patients as quickly as possible. Is there information? Is there mixed opinions? Because I think sometimes there’s been a tendency to have one answer to these things and there isn’t one answer. And sometimes there isn’t papers, you know? So we actually have trained our tool to
Bill Gasiamis (32:01)
Yeah. Yeah.
Jessica Dove London (32:07)
to sometimes not make up answers. And so, you know, we tested it on very rare protocols and it often says, hey, there is no protocol for your subtype. However, here are protocols that are being studied in other sort of use cases.
Bill Gasiamis (32:19)
Yeah. And then if I do this view source, this is cool too, right? It just goes directly to the article PubMed article. And you can read that. That’s brilliant. Okay. So then, ⁓
And look, here we go again. It’s found my podcast two times here. ⁓ that is brilliant. love it. And then I did this. went, I think I went back and then I asked the question here because I had like a thing that popped up in my brain today. Right. Somebody kind of said, Hey, have you heard about that? And, ⁓ somebody did that. And, ⁓ and then I just can go.
immediately into that and go okay where is it i’m just trying to search on my
Jessica Dove London (33:05)
While you’re
searching, guess the thing that we built with our weekly tool as well, so let’s say you really want to learn about STC 30. I think that’s it’s called. You can just put that in your weekly, your profile, and every week our tool will look for that specific topic because that’s the other thing. So if you click strengthen my profile, can you see that purple box down at the bottom? Yep. If you click on strength, you click on that, you can just say, you can type anything new in here and it’s going to then keep searching it.
Bill Gasiamis (33:20)
How do I do that? Why would I do that?
⁓ yeah?
There you go, there’s all of my data that I put in at the beginning, New York, New York, early 50s age group, approximately 13 years post stroke, all the topics that I was interested in. And where would I put that? Would I put that here, add new?
Jessica Dove London (33:34)
Or if you
Yeah, yeah. And if you start, then we’ll know that that’s at the top. Yeah. But you can, to be act, to actually be honest, you can actually, if you go back, I’ll show you an easier way. So at the end of every weekly update, there’s a huge box that just says, me anything new. but if you go back, I’ll show you something on the dashboard as well. Yep. So if you see, do you see want to do a deep dive, see how this says update me the top on the right.
Bill Gasiamis (33:52)
⁓
dashboard.
Jessica Dove London (34:13)
next to ask, yeah, if you just talk at it and say, I’m now interested in this as a priority, it’ll then put it at the top for your next week’s update.
Bill Gasiamis (34:13)
⁓
⁓ okay. Next question I had a day ago, somebody wanted to know about red light therapy. So why don’t I do that? If I press that and then do that, right? Click this button here. Is that the one?
Jessica Dove London (34:31)
Or
you can talk or type, whatever works for you.
Bill Gasiamis (34:34)
I’m gonna talk, let’s see if it does.
Jessica Dove London (34:36)
Let’s
see if it works with the podcast, whether it’s taken them. Yeah, I think it’s not working just because you’re doing a podcast, because you’re using the speaker.
Bill Gasiamis (34:39)
Alright.
⁓ no.
Okay,
so I’ll type I’ll just say ⁓ red light therapy.
Jessica Dove London (34:53)
This won’t give you an answer. This is just going to go on to your weekly update now, Bill.
Bill Gasiamis (34:58)
Okay, okay, so if I if I do that
Jessica Dove London (34:59)
Yeah. And now,
yep. So now it’s actually just added it to your health profile whenever you want to know. So for your next Sunday’s update, you’re now going to have red light therapy in there. But yeah, but the reason we put the voice box is it’s actually sometimes useful to talk a bit more like, Hey, I’m thinking about doing red light therapy. I’m really worried about this, this, this, just actually giving more context. Cause at the of the day, if there’s a thousand new things a week in stroke, you know, this is just a matter of how do you, how does
Bill Gasiamis (35:11)
my gosh, that’s ugly.
Jessica Dove London (35:28)
How does any sort of system get you what’s relevant?
AI for Stroke Recovery – Real-Life Applications and Success Stories
Bill Gasiamis (35:32)
It’s a game changer. I’m telling you now. ⁓ I mean, you know that, I don’t know why I’m telling you, but you know that this is the one that was the weirdest thing, methylene blue. Do know it’s a food dye? Sorry. No, it’s not a food dye. It’s a clothes dye. I think it’s like a Indigo clothes dye and people take it. And it’s very risky because, ⁓ it’s very few people that, ⁓ actually experiencing the exact condition that’s related to, ⁓
Jessica Dove London (35:41)
Okay. Really?
Bill Gasiamis (36:01)
neurological dysfunction or mitochondrial dysfunction that methylene blue can help for. And then if you take methylene blue and you take too much of it, ⁓ then it decreases mitochondrial function if you don’t have a need for it. And there’s no way of knowing whether you have mitochondrial dysfunction unless you have the right kind of doctor take you through that process and determine whether your mitochondria are functioning properly. I mean, not many people have access to that, but this is what happened when I, ⁓
put that in there, came up with a whole bunch of information again. This is just like the most obscure thing that everyone’s talking about now. And unfortunately, people are taking Methylene Blue ⁓ without knowing whether or not they’re a candidate. And when they request information from me, I want to be able to give them accurate information and don’t be like that.
person who holds onto the data and then doesn’t release it. But I’m confident it could say if you’re somebody considering taking Methylene Blue, do not take Methylene Blue. is so, ⁓ it’s such a nuanced bit of like tool. It’s such a nuanced tool and you need to know like the most amazing people in that space and there’s probably only two of them in the world. So it’s like great that everyone’s talking about it.
But I feel really confident now about having the information in front of me to share with stroke survivors. And I would not have felt like that if this tool did not exist.
Jessica Dove London (37:34)
Again, you could also put that into your weekly updates so that it keeps looking for that particular topic. Because I guess the challenge, the reality is, and the challenge for all of us is we hear these things or we don’t even know things exist. And I think, you know, there is the reality. Like I think you’re always looking for that one thing as well, right? Particularly with any sort of neuro condition, you’re like, is there something really big I’m missing?
Bill Gasiamis (37:40)
Yeah.
you
Jessica Dove London (38:00)
You know, is there something that could really improve when you’re facing something that maybe, maybe there’s a symptom that won’t go away or, you know, in cerebral palsy, it’s a lifelong condition. So you’re all often like, looking for that. Is there something we’re missing kind of experience or there’s a new topic. like just to give you one example, which is a real example is I was worried about my son having osteoporosis.
So I told the tool, I’m worried about my son having osteoporosis. I went to the doctor’s consultant and the consultant said, don’t worry, we don’t need to scan. He said we’re going try and them. But the doctor said, don’t worry. And then the week later, my son got very bad knee pain. We ended up doing an x-ray, which showed potential osteoporosis. I pushed and we got a dextrose. And
doctor rings me and he says, yes, your son has osteoporosis. And I said, what can we do to treat this? And he actually told me.
we wait for children to break their bones when they have cerebral palsy. Now, if you’re a wheelchair user and you break a bone, that could be a year of rehab for your life. Now I’d put this into the tool and in the period of two to three weeks, it had found me two papers studying children with osteoporosis with cerebral palsy and an expert interview. I said to the doctor, why are we not testing his calcium? Why are we not looking at his vitamin D? And the doctor said, you’re right. We need to test those levels. Now like,
One, the reality is that consultant just can’t stay to date. Like I actually understand he’s busy. He’s actually serving lots of different conditions. And so like my passion and my hope is that we can do that work for people. because I have organized my son to get these blood tests now because we’re being proactive. Cause I don’t want him to break, break his bones. You know, I care more than anybody. He, know, it’s quality of life. And also when you have a label like cerebral palsy or stroke,
Sometimes things can be disregarded, you know, it’s really, they think, ⁓ this is complex. We don’t really know. Well, maybe we just haven’t read the paper from three months ago or that really useful webinar from a conference that was last week. I’m talking about that exact symptom that is legitimate. So yeah, that’s my real passion, Bill is empowering people because, know, I think we all have these stories of being disregarded or.
You know, and I do have a lot of hope for the future and I love medical professionals. I have some incredible people that I work with, but curiosity is just not usually the experience of most professionals when they’re, you know, they are just humans doing their best overwhelmed and usually not fully up to date.
Bill Gasiamis (40:39)
Yep. And they also don’t know what they don’t know. It’s no different to us, right? If they have, if it hasn’t fallen onto their lap and if they haven’t had a lucky day where they saw an article or, know, they’re in the same boat and as frustrating as it can be, and as much as you want to kind of dude, you know, you’re the guy leading my, my healthcare, you know, like I, I’m entrusting you with more than just this blasé attitude at that, like
Jessica Dove London (40:43)
Yes!
That’s right.
Bill Gasiamis (41:06)
And that’s not helpful either. I totally get it as well.
Jessica Dove London (41:08)
That’s right. That’s right. You
want to do it together. You know, I was on a call this week with not someone from stroke or cerebral palsy, but it was a consult specialist from another disease. I won’t mention what disease, but they said to me on the call, they picked up something from their desk and they said, I have a journal sitting here from early October and I’ve been trying to read it every day. But this person is a surgeon and is very, very busy. And they were telling me to build my tool, like this tool for doctors. She was like,
We can’t stay up to date and we really want to, and we do. Like she will read that paper. But it’s such a burden on healthcare professionals. So my real hope in the future is that we go to our professionals and we look together at the evidence. know, there is that, cause you know, the truth is some world leaders obviously in a lot of professionals know a lot more and their lens is very useful of going, actually that is interesting. this is something we hadn’t thought about, or let’s look at this. Just that there’s time limitation.
All right, sound good.
Bill Gasiamis (42:08)
I know they care. And when you’re a surgeon and somebody says, ⁓ emergency just rocked up through the door and it’s 1am, they drop everything and they go right. So then you want to give that person a break as well and say to my care what what do you want to sleep tomorrow morning? Okay, no worries, by all means sleep. And it makes complete sense why a journal could be on somebody’s desk and not get read. I mean, that happens with my taxes. They’re there forever.
Jessica Dove London (42:19)
Yeah.
actually.
Bill Gasiamis (42:35)
and they need to get done. And I can come up with a million things that I prioritize over that thing because it’s actually a priority. I’m not saying that I don’t pay my taxes. I definitely do. But with a surgeon, you can understand where they would rather spend their time is helping people get through that particular situation that they’re finding themselves in. the, what is it like? It’s like, ⁓ by the way, there’s this journal there yet.
I’m going to spend an hour reading that. what somebody needs surgery. No problem. Let’s go. I totally get it. I get it. And this tool kind of enables patients, I think, to have more information and take that to a meeting with a surgeon with a clinical, you know, in a clinical setting, wherever they are, and begin a conversation that perhaps wouldn’t have begun again. That information then does go kind of in that
Jessica Dove London (43:09)
That’s right.
Bill Gasiamis (43:31)
either at the front of the mind of that person or at the back of the mind of that person so that they can access it when they need it and then go, you know, I’m going to be curious about that. I’m going to go down that path. Or if you take that to your doctor or a clinician or someone in that space and they say, don’t worry about that, then that’s also a good sign for I need to find a new doctor. I need to find a new clinician, someone who’s going to take the feedback and the information that I bring them seriously.
Empowering Patients Through Collaboration
Jessica Dove London (43:57)
Yeah. 100%. 100%. I think it’s that collaboration. know, we have a person on our team right now. He’s not the most knowledgeable, but just, and he isn’t the specialist, but he’s very supportive and really wants to look at evidence and is always helping us find the right specialist. And it’s just an incredibly wonderful experience to have someone who’s on that side of always validating. then she knows that we’re reading more than she is on some of these topics. And I want to help.
don’t want to be doing this alone. Like that’s the other thing you want. You want people to help you and have the answers and give you better. You know, you don’t want to be doing the wrong treatment or wasting that, you know, I always think you can’t try everything even if lots of things worked. But you can do things that don’t work or you can do things that are risky. And I think for so long, has been very risk averse. However, there are so many treatments that are
You know, have huge outcomes. You know, we, one of the things we did with our son, he started school in continent. And I listened to a podcast interviewing a world leader out of UCLA. They, um, you know, we’ve actually got a lot of these stories, barely we’ve been able to talk before about some of the things we’ve tried, but it’s a, an external device giving, uh, this is a different one building what we talked about, but it’s a device you put on your back. And it was this new breakthrough about, uh, the spine is connected to motor planning and he.
within two days became fully continent. And this is a $300 machine. It was free. The protocol was free and he’s completely continent at school. Like that’s his whole life changed. And the reason I did it is because I listened to a podcast with a world leader and it’s heaps of evidence. There just wasn’t yet evidence in cerebral palsy because they just brought it to cerebral palsy from spinal cord injury. And his whole life changed and
I actually have a friend who’s a world leading researcher in this space in cerebral palsy and me and him have spoken about this technology and it’s very exciting. But not everyone can go and talk to this world leading research to go, yeah, this is valid. This makes total sense. You should be trying this. And so how many people are incontinent because of that one particular insight that’s not being shared. know, there’s just so many stories like this of things that are low risk, that have really good. ⁓
potential to change people’s lives.
Bill Gasiamis (46:17)
Yeah, that’s brilliant. We’re going to obviously get the link to that particular device and we’re going to put it in the show notes.
Jessica Dove London (46:23)
We should do a session just on devices. I love technology. ⁓
Bill Gasiamis (46:28)
Yeah, but that’s
the beauty of it, right? We wouldn’t have had that information hadn’t it been for this particular product coming up in the search in the results. ⁓
Jessica Dove London (46:37)
That’s right. So one of the things I tell Tony
is I want new technology and new equipment. And so last week in my update, it found me a patient comment of someone who’s built a device, a hand device to hold things and they have a web link, but they themselves went and built this device. All the plans are online. And because I’m obsessed with new technology, it’s doing that for me. I’m also obsessed with like new wheelchairs and new, you know, know, new scooters and it’s all.
Bill Gasiamis (46:44)
you
Jessica Dove London (47:06)
I love this, like that’s one of my personal sort of like things I’m always looking for. But again, that tool is doing some of that, a lot of that lifting for me, because I can’t read it all.
Bill Gasiamis (47:17)
Yeah, brilliant. love it. I can’t read it all either. And I definitely don’t know what the obscure things are that people ask for my podcast. And I’m expected to know which is a really, it’s a really lovely thing. Like, you know, like people are coming to me for advice and I want to, I want to be the guy I want to be the connector. want to see people to read.
Jessica Dove London (47:37)
You can actually
share that page when you ask Tony, you can do a URL and share that for your listeners so they can get access to it. Just so you know the bottom so they can just share it and see if it’s useful or not. And that’s the thing like it’s more about is it useful or not for you.
Bill Gasiamis (47:44)
Yeah, I will be doing that.
Yeah, I think what I’ll be doing is answering people’s questions because they’re so lovely to ask them. What I’ll do is I’ll do a search for them on tourney. I’ll record the whole thing and I’ll tell them, you know, one of my stroke survivors who listens to my podcast wants to know about this information. Give me the data. We’ll come up with some research. I’ll answer the question. And then like, I’ll feel amazing that that happened relatively quickly as well, which is going to before for me to actually
my gosh, I just had that feeling where I’m like that doctor who gets asked these questions and doesn’t know. So says, my God, I’m going to leave that unanswered or or I’ll tell them there’s nothing about that that we can talk about because there’s no information. I just felt like that doctor where somebody asked him the question and I was like, I’ve got no idea what you’re talking about. Just keep doing what you’re doing or what I’m telling you to do. Whereas now that goes away. That feeling of
I don’t think I can help you, goes away. We might not be able to have the answers. We might find out that in fact there is nothing available yet in that space, right? So that’s kind of where Tony will also go. It’ll go, well, there’s nothing here.
Jessica Dove London (49:04)
and might just find things that are related because that’s the other thing. Like if I’d asked Tony about this, this technology, it’s called spinal. It’s confusing because there’s a few things called spinal stimulation, but it’s trans trans. I’m not going to, I’ll give, can put it in a note. So it’s a technical term, but in the cerebral palsy community, call it spinal stim. Yeah. If I’d put that in, nothing would come back because it was only last year that two research papers had come out about this. However, it would find related things because there is a lot of related concepts.
that particular technology and that thinking. Like there was actually a surgery of how that was using the same, doing the same amount of healing. But the benefit of obviously using a machine that you put on your back is it’s not, or brain surgery, which is hugely risky or implanting devices and all that. It’s just not always answers. There’s not always evidence, but there is things, there’s not much happening. And that’s probably my last thought to share is just.
Bill Gasiamis (49:49)
Yeah.
Jessica Dove London (49:57)
There is so much happening and I think you’ve lived this bill, like there is a lot of new technologies, new treatments, lifestyles. There’s so much happening in the recovery space and you know, there’s a lot of hope to be had. And that’s one of my biggest feelings of this tool when I use it for myself is hope. literally it found me an advantage. my son is very adventurous and wants to be a, I do not want him to be this, but he wants to be like a wheelchair stunt person.
And there was an online event about teenagers getting into skate parks. And I just had such hope that there’s all these people out there trying to make like a Yeah, I didn’t attend because I’m like, he’s only 10. I’m like, no, we can’t do this yet.
Bill Gasiamis (50:40)
I love that you don’t want to
I love that you don’t want him to break his arm roller skating.
Jessica Dove London (50:47)
You
Bill Gasiamis (50:48)
I love it. love it. That’s what normal, normal moms do. Right. But there you go. Yeah. Oh, of course it does. That’s Yeah, I love it. Absolutely. Um, that’s exactly why I like Tony because it will do things that we’ve struggled to do for a long time is find resources, information, all that kind of thing. And it’ll do it quickly and it’ll do it.
Jessica Dove London (50:51)
That’s right. dad does take him to the skate park. His dad takes him. And he goes down. It’s terrible. It’s so scary.
Bill Gasiamis (51:15)
specifically for you and it’ll send it to your inbox. You don’t have to go anywhere. Now there will be a link for people to click on and go across and get a little discount or some kind of like a, can we talk about that briefly?
Jessica Dove London (51:31)
Yeah, yeah. So we, this is a low cost AI tool. So we charge two US dollars a week for that weekly update. And it actually costs us $2.80 per update just because we read a million tokens per person to generate that. And we want to provide the most valuable, those value and the most accessible, valuable focus. Not everybody can be spending $30, $40 a month on the really advanced AI tools either.
But you can try it for free. So you can just try it for three weeks and see if it’s valuable because end of the day, that’s all we want. And you know, we want your feedback. If you’re like, I’d love it to do this, to do that. We’re a team that really just want to, you know, that’s the beauty of being a technology team is we can build some of these solutions pretty easily. So yeah, you can go through the link and get a 10 % discount, but you can also just try it for free and see if this is valuable for you.
Bill Gasiamis (52:22)
Yeah, I tried it for free for three weeks and the it’s like having subscribed to the full thing because you’ve got everything that it can possibly do in that three weeks. I’ve got a really good feel for it. So I’ll have that linked as well in the show notes. And then if you’re watching this video and you want to get a sense of ⁓ what this thing is like, what it’s like when I use it, et cetera, I’ll be doing my answers to red light therapy and STC 30.
Jessica Dove London (52:29)
Yeah, 100%. That’s right. That’s right.
Bill Gasiamis (52:49)
I’ll be doing all those types of videos. People will be able to see it. The website is turnto.ai. So it’s T-U-R-N-T-O.ai. I’ll have the links in the show notes for that as well. Jessica, thank you so much for reaching out, persevering when I was being a little bit slack with my inbox and then, yeah, kind of developing this tool with your team and bringing it to us. really appreciate it.
that you’ve done that and that it’s there because it’s definitely going to improve. It’s going to decrease the amount of time that I take to find information to help me as well because I’m a stroke survivor and I’ve got my own stuff I go through. So thank you for that.
Jessica Dove London (53:30)
been great to be here,
Bill Gasiamis (53:31)
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